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Post by Rokubi on Nov 18, 2006 12:53:36 GMT -5
Ninja's cant control water! Actually you started it by coming in on my battle and telling me that every piece of my post is wrong and should be taken down Besides Shobu cheated too so theres obviously something else to this Naraku's bone clones dont cost him chakra, the clones cant move unless there is muscle to move them Since he can only create bones then his bone clones dont even have the ability to move You didn't see that because you were so busy trying to prove me wrong Ive proven myself right about this tomany times Im just tired of having to be told about it, i told you not to take it offensively but apparently you didnt read that either....
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Post by Shobu on Nov 18, 2006 12:56:05 GMT -5
actually Takeda ninjas can control water...
for example Naruto used WATER balloons when practicing the resangan...
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Post by Rokubi on Nov 18, 2006 12:57:11 GMT -5
He used chakra and moved it in a circle its not the same as lifting water into the air which only Haku's clan can do
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Post by Uzumaki Naruto on Nov 18, 2006 13:00:36 GMT -5
Every water jutsu is a water control... and ninjas with water natures can control it at will, without jutsu, just pure chakra. The Water Dragon Jutsu, Water Prison, Water clones... all control water. Ice is a different matter entirely. Haku's clan controls ICE! There's a major difference. All ninjas with ninjutsu can control water, but only that single clan controls ice.
In addition, bones can be moved with chakra, however I didnt read the part where it said it doesnt cost chakra... Kaguya's will have to use chakra to manipulate bones outside their body. Inside, no, because its actually inside them(hence making bone swords etc) but a bone clone would have to be moved by chakra, similar to kage bunshin.
I assumed he utilized chakra to move them. If I missed that, then I apologize, because all jutsu and blood limits require chakra(except for a few... like ones that give temporary chakra boosts or manipulate your body... and I dont know if Kaguya bone-growing doesnt require chakra or not.)
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Post by Rokubi on Nov 18, 2006 13:04:44 GMT -5
Theres a difference between using a jutsu to move water and moving it without a jutsu and without chakra When Haku was young he didnt know what a jutsu or chakra was, when his father tried to kill him he turned snow into ice to kill him, if he can turn snow into water and then into ice then he has to be able to control water without using a jutsu Im tired of this, can we just fight already? Im seriously thinking about quiting this site if all everyone does is complain about every move I make.....
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Post by Shobu on Nov 18, 2006 13:05:01 GMT -5
my mistake lol my bone clones now cost chakara....how much though...?
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Post by Gai on Nov 18, 2006 13:05:58 GMT -5
TAKEDA!! quit acting like i was when i was emo. lol dont quit the site.
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Post by Uzumaki Naruto on Nov 18, 2006 13:08:15 GMT -5
I dont know.
Thats the thing with jutsus... they all cost chakra, but it all has to do with how much.
I wish there were a guide to this... lemme think.
Mizu Bunshins cost less than kage bunshins, since kage bunshin makes clones from nothing and Mizu has a medium(water)....
and Mizu Bunshins are directly controlled by the user, whereas kage bunshins think for themselves.
Since bone bunshins dont actually require you to form the shape of the bunshin(like you must do for Mizu) and require the same(or less) amount of chakra to move it... probably less than a Mizu Bunshin. At least, so logic states.
I dont really know though. This is what I do for fun... theorize on jutsus and how they work/how much they cost etc.
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Haku's jutsu nature has to be water, since he can control ice and such... so he probably triggered his bloodline in his distress, and inadvertently mixed it with nature manipulation. Simple explanation, in my opinion.
Dont matta, though.
I'm officially bored of arguing. *yawns* had a late night last night... I think I'll nap.
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Post by Shobu on Nov 18, 2006 13:10:38 GMT -5
i still dont know how much chakara that is...lets say my Kaguya had his chakara at max how many clones do you think he could make?
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Post by Uzumaki Naruto on Nov 18, 2006 13:18:01 GMT -5
He's a high-Jounin, probably on par or better than Kakashi, so...
since Kakashi can make about 100 kage bunshin, maxed(assuming of course that thirty, as he stated before, wasnt his max if he used all his chakra) and Mizu costs about half(200), and bone bunshin would cost about 3/4 of that, so... 250-esque? Maybe?
This is all assuming my basic logic was correct, and assuming that making the bones costs no chakra... so many assumptions!
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Post by Shobu on Nov 18, 2006 13:19:36 GMT -5
lol thats good with me i dont think i will ever even make over 50 in onebattle... Maybe i should make an army of bone clones O.O
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Post by Uzumaki Naruto on Nov 18, 2006 13:21:25 GMT -5
If 30 was truly Kakashi's maximum(I didnt want to think that, since Naruto can make thousands... which would make his chakra capacity amazingly huge) then about 80-esque would be the answer(again assuming my correct logic.)
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Post by Shobu on Nov 18, 2006 13:23:28 GMT -5
yeah lol
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Post by Kaji on Nov 18, 2006 16:15:06 GMT -5
Okay Takeda, this is what I have to say...and I'm going to be EXTREMLEY honest with you.
COMPLAIN?!?! Your the one who complains about every little move made, I know this because you constantly bitch about various things in the morning.
Ninja's can control water by using Chakra, go to ANY website and look up Haku's bloodline. It gives him the ability to manipulate Ice. Your throwing around crazy Jutsus, and you even TURNED INTO WIND! Which I think is ridiculous if it's not a bloodline. You also summoned something on Gamabunta's level.
You stabbed yourself in the foot to get rid of that Genjutsu, you shouldn't even be able to walk. I mean it did cost an extreme amount of pain to dispell it, and a stab in the ankle would ruin that joint entirely.
About you threatening to quit the site...I'm not going to try and stop you. I'm actually a bit tired of arguing with you about every little thing in real life. This site is currently the only thing you talk about, and if you want to control everything with a remote amount of liquid in it...your crazy.
About you relating all this to Kusanagi. For his technique to work, he has to hit you in a major nerve with his electricty. Once done that he uses your NERVE electrcity from your brain and various nerves to control you movements. Obviously there are loads of ways to counter this.
I've told you not to act godly with your character muliple times, although I know being all powerful is appealing, curb it...for it just pisses people off.
I'm sorry pal, and no hard feelings...your one of my best friends...but stilll, come on...
Oh and the Wii is coming out tommrow *dies*. Feel free to come over tommrow and try it out ^_^
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Post by Uzumaki Naruto on Nov 18, 2006 16:19:27 GMT -5
(You're getting a Wii?!?!?!?!?
Gr......... -officially hates self-
I gotta wait till X-Mas..... -dies-
-resurrects- Yay for the end of arguments, however...)
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